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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Adam the Akrodude » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:03 pm

Graeme H wrote:Adam, although I can understand your point of view, turning the clock back is not the answer, for example as a daily drive try driving an original EH Holden with drum brakes, and 3 on the tree with no syncro on 1st, compared to what you drive today, if you ever have there is no way you would go back, and you couldn't make any of those old F1's safer unless you did what they have done today, the death toll in F1 has come down dramatically because of the changes.

or in aviation terms try doing aeros in a Tiger Moth, Victa Airtourer or C152 Aerobat (I have) compared to the stuff you have been doing them in, a four point roll is the best you can hope for, even thinking about more will bring you undone.

Nostalgia is great, but reality is such a bitch.


Yep, flown Tiger Moth, CT-4A and learnt my aero's in a C152 Aerobat - all of these easily capable of a 4-point roll, 8-point roll, 16-point roll if one is good enough. Look at what Bob Hoover could do in a Aero Commander - all with no power! Have a read up and look in the aero's being flown back in the 30's in Bucker Jungmeister's by the likes of Alex Papana and Otto Von Hagenburg back at the Berlin Olympics. The Bu-133 is considered still to be the best snap rolling aeroplane ever with excellent control harmony - near perfect. Of course the carbon fibre wonder machines like the Extra 330, Edge 540, etc have much faster roll rates, pitch rates, climb rates etc, but the slower biplanes can fly tighter at lower G (lower wing loading) - of course just like the Pitts, no longer competitive in Unlimited competition aero's but still perform very complex and exciting (to me) aerobatics.

I'm just saying F1 is effing boring these days. It's become so structured, so controlled and just no longer that interesting to me. All the cars look much the same - yawn! The technology is wonderful of course, but honestly I would not be bothered going to the F1 again - that's just me. Of course I'm being hopeless and perhaps pathetically nostalgic because F1 to me used to be far more interesting (I'm not referring to all the crashes either). I do believe more basic raw skill was required in the good ol' days too.

Each to their own of course - many people (in fact 99.99% of the human race) could not give a shit about competition aerobatics because it's pretty boring for spectators - and fair enough too. What makes us interesting as a species is that we all like different stuff - all part of the rich mosaic of life huh! Apol's in advance for the thread drift! I'm just making the point that not all "old stuff" is crap. Seeing Brabham drifting around Albert Park back in the 60's would have been all kinds of awesome I think. Yes I am a romantic and nostalgic fool - and loving it! Maybe I was born too late in the 20th Century? Check out these snap rolls in a Jungmeister back in the 30's - wicked stuff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-P-5uyXy_g
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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Ansett A330 » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:00 pm

Adam the Akrodude wrote:Seriously, just how beautiful is Brabham's ol' F1! Once there was a time of F1 racing legends.

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Don't mean to be pedantic yes it is a Brabham but the Driver is Denny Hulme. The Number Two would make it 1967 and Denny raced three different Brabhams in 1967 so looking at the foreground and background it looks very much like Zandvoort so that would make it the Dutch Grand Prix which was his last race in a BT20 and he finished third behind Jim Clark in the Lotus 49 and Jack Brabham in the Brabham BT19.

Interestingly this Race was the debut of the Lotus 49 with the Cosworth DFV engine which became THE engine of the 3 litre era. A documentary was made leading up to it's debut called "9 Days in Summer" :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucau77iVndk
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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Ansett A330 » Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:02 am

Anyway back on topic and after "The Beast from the East" had blanketed the circuit in snow

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it has finally melted and been replaced by rain so some running (well some installation laps only at this stage) has been possible :

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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Ansett A330 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:30 am

Looks like Orange is the new Red today ...

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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Ansett A330 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:31 am

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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Adam the Akrodude » Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:02 pm

Don't mean to be pedantic yes it is a Brabham but the Driver is Denny Hulme. The Number Two would make it 1967 and Denny raced three different Brabhams in 1967 so looking at the foreground and background it looks very much like Zandvoort so that would make it the Dutch Grand Prix which was his last race in a BT20 and he finished third behind Jim Clark in the Lotus 49 and Jack Brabham in the Brabham BT19.

Interestingly this Race was the debut of the Lotus 49 with the Cosworth DFV engine which became THE engine of the 3 litre era. A documentary was made leading up to it's debut called "9 Days in Summer" :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucau77iVndk[/quote]

Please be pedantic sir! You very obviously know your stuff and it's brilliant to be corrected! My point was simply that there doesn't seem to be the passion in F1 was there used to be way back when. Guys like Brabham were national heroes. Perhaps in frustration and a good dose of nostalga, I do harken back to those glory days, yet as Graham very correctly points out they were not glory days as far as safety is concerned! I've watched a bit of that vid and will take time over the w/e to watch the lot - looks excellent!

Btw, have you built any F1 models? If so, I'd love to see them. I would one day like to build a large scale Brabham or McLaren from the 60's. Did you see that film McLaren - awesome I thought. It's great to see your passion for this topic and please keep posting - don't mind my self-indulgent nostalgic whinge about the good ol' days!

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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Ansett A330 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:56 pm

Hello Adam :

Yes understand what you are saying whole heartedly as a lot of the time I look and read back on past years. I'm old but not ancient but the year that hooked my interest in F1 and F5000 was 1974.

Favourite F1 car Brabham BT44 :

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Favourite Driver Ronnie Peterson :

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(can't believe it will be 40 years ago later this year that we lost him.)



Favourite F5000 car Brabham BT43 :

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(possibly one reason why I wrote the Wikipedia page for it : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brabham_BT43 as well as making contact with Bob Paton the man who largely made it.}



Years ago I built a number of the Tamiya 1:20 scale F1 cars and mucked around scratchbuilding some of my own ideas in the 80's. I think I have most of the 1:20 Tamiya kits except maybe for the Lotus 25, Honda RA272, and (perhaps surprisingly) the Lotus 79.

Somewhere I have the Tamiya 1:12 Brabham BT44B but have never started it as really want to back date it to the BT44 (and also I really don't like the Martini livery!).

Also have the Tamiya 1:12 Yardley McLaren M23 which I would like to do as Mike Hailwood's 1974 car until his unfortunate accident.

In later years probably because I don't get the chance to build much these days I have bought a few of the 1:18 F1 diecasts from the likes of Minichamps, Classic Collectables, etc as they are ready made and aren't too bad at all. Been a bit slack though and haven't kept up with the F5000 releases since Alan Jones' Lola T332. Must get some of the other Lolas and Matichs one day.

So I don't mind your "self-indulgent nostalgic whinge about the good ol' days!" because I do the same thing too!
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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Ansett A330 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:03 pm

By the way I don't think many people would know this but Denny Hulme's Father was a VC recipient :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clive_Hulme
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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Ansett A330 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:27 am

Day One of Test Two well underway :

https://www.autosport.com/f1/live/27509 ... y-one-2018

By the looks of it 2018 is going to be another Merc cakewalk unfortunately.
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Re: 2018 F1 Season

Postby Adam the Akrodude » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:52 am

Clive Hulme's citation is extraordinary. He sure was one tough Kiwi! I've always found it amazing how often just one individual can make such a massive difference in desperate times.

Those Brabhams do look cool and I do get the die cast collecting thing. Our imperious site owner/host/all around good guy TOR is a major die cast collector - airliners and racers plus a few others, all expertly displayed in glass cabinets.

Not sure if you know of this shop in Melbourne - it's pretty cool. If you get a chance, please post any pic's of your collection - lot's of petrol heads at this forum! :-)

http://www.modelmania.com.au/
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