You lot are boring!!!

[Ansett A330]

Have to ask myself what on Earth is a "Qwner"?

Answer is obviously a case of typing and spelling getting mixed up!

[Adam the Akrodude]

How to kill a spider

I vote Ray S has the best positive plan for spider eradication from our planet! A little harsh, but desperate times ask for desperate measures!

[hrtpaul]

Interesting points Paul, I'll ignore the obvious logical fallacies at the start. But;

1 - I think anyone could make some general external observations on if a creature is healthy or not. In this case the snakes had no marks, damage, lesions etc and did not look emaciated. As mentioned, there was a ban placed on the practice some years ago, so unless it was done against the law, one must assume the snake has been living for some years in it's current vemonoid state.

2 - Most of what you wrote was irrelevant to the point I made. I am aware of what venom is and what it does, I should also have mentioned that it's recommended with vemonoid snakes that the heat is kept up to them. It's also observed and generally accepted that venomous snakes don't always strike at already immobilized (dead) prey and as you point out, venom takes energy to produce, so why waste it? The observation would seem to suggest that venom is not crucial to every meal. Also consider that the digestive properties of venom are centered around breaking down proteins and most animals produce the same enzymes in their body, hence why venom is modified saliva; it's readily available to use and it's produced within the body already. Also consider that constrictors don't have venom, yet have no problems digesting meals, sometimes quite large meals in the case of things like Anaconda's. Also snakes with more neurotoxic venom have less pre digestive ability and the mamba, one of the most deadly venomous snakes in the world, has no enzymes in it's venom and necrosis is not present at all in bite victims. I remember watching a show about it and someone who got bitten was placed on a ventilator without anti venom being administered and they recovered once the venom broke down. You certainly couldn't do that with hemotoxic venom like what a rattlesnake has.

3- So we agree on that one.

4 - See point 2. As we agree, venom takes energy to make, a snake in captivity will more than likely learn that it doesn't have to expend the energy on venom. Some may still do it, but it is observed that some don't.

5 - I don't doubt it can and does help, it certainly doesn't explain constrictors or snakes with more neurotoxicity to them. As mentioned in my first post, there seems to be very little research on the subject, perhaps you could make a name for yourself in this area?

Prices for venomoid snakes are also higher than that for unaltered snakes. It seems illogical that the price for such exotic animals would be higher if their life spans were significant effected or they were somehow damaged. Humans have been modifying animals for many years and as far as I see it, it's no different to de-knackering your cat or dog.

You know what mate, it's not worth me wasting time to even point out the many errors in that response. You've just proved once again how little you really know on the subject. I CBF'd anymore because as usual pal, you know everything and can't be told any different. I just hope you NEVER own or have to care for an animal with your shit attitude.

[Adam the Akrodude]

I really think we should bring this discussion back to effective ways to kills spiders. Now this is relevant here as I do wonder just how many of these evil alien creatures have infested our respective man caves! Flame throwers are effective, but the issue is that this technique would result in the destruction of one's model stash. Surface insect sprays I think just annoy spiders and they just communicate their annoyance to their mates. Seriously people, the world needs a solution to the global spider infestation situation!

Is this what we want looking down on us with those 8 evil beady eyes folks in our man caves?



Next election I am forming a new political party - The Anti-Spider Party!

[Adam the Akrodude]

Seriously people - they're taking over - AARRGGGGHHHHHHHH!

[tor lives]

Guys.....just a subtle and timely reminder to all.
Let's keep things nice and friendly between us hey. We are singularly fortunate in that we don't suffer from the usual BS ya can sometimes see on other sites.....that's what makes A/CAM so unique and comfortable. We are a good little on-line modelling community that has the benefit of most of the membership knowing each other personally, (and I think that assists greatly in keeping the feuds to a minimum), so let's not do anything to f@#k that up hey.
You all know my views on your individual right to freedom of speech, and personal view and opinion, but let's not start getting narky with one and other.....OK.
TOR

[VH-WAL]

Every now and then when undistracted by modelling or other more pleasing pursuits I ponder over..well things..

Is it just me ? and am I wrong in thinking there are remarkable parallels in the Trump presidential campaign and the rise of "the third reich"? For jews read mexicans and moslems, blacks and red necks being cunningly brought in like the post ww1 disaffected.

This guy scares me..big time, I think the world dodged a bullet with Reagan (I know many would disagree) but at least he listened to his advisers, If Trump wins .................. interesting times

[Ansett A330]

Rest easy Wal it isn't going to happen. Like Gambling "The Establishment" always wins ...

What's more of a worry for me is missiles being moved into Romania which is where my Son is working.

[DesTROYer]

Every now and then when undistracted by modelling or other more pleasing pursuits I ponder over..well things..

Is it just me ? and am I wrong in thinking there are remarkable parallels in the Trump presidential campaign and the rise of "the third reich"? For jews read mexicans and moslems, blacks and red necks being cunningly brought in like the post ww1 disaffected.

This guy scares me..big time, I think the world dodged a bullet with Reagan (I know many would disagree) but at least he listened to his advisers, If Trump wins .................. interesting times

The comparisons have not escaped me, Wal. I have friends in the US, a few of which are ardent Trump supporters/Hillary haters, and I look at the things they post a wonder how they can think that way when they in other regards seem alright people. I try to put forward to them how wrong this fool is and how another part of the world, outside of the insular US, can see him for what he is and what he stands for, but if falls on deaf ears. I end up dropping the subject to save the friendship, but still think to my self, thats how evil strives.

[VH-WAL]

Another observation I make is the large fundementalist christian faction purport to be the good and righteous people, truth is if Jesus Christ set foot in the US now re-espousing his word they would have him nailed up on a cross in no time as no good socialist red commie bastard!

A pox on religion!