My entry for Airliners next year...

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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby tor lives » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:42 pm

We can all discuss this until we are blue in the face, ultimately though, the decision is not ours.
The Model Expo scrutineers will have the final say on what model goes where.
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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby Cap'n Wannabe » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:52 pm

I don't see any issue as long as it's grounded and put into a museum...
Pretending to do it TAC style with the big boys since 1987
Also, we don't need no steenkin' VLATs!
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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby Adam the Akrodude » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:57 pm

tor lives wrote:We can all discuss this until we are blue in the face, ultimately though, the decision is not ours.
The Model Expo scrutineers will have the final say on what model goes where.
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May pertain to civil airliners in military or government service.

Is the Fw-200C8 a airliner? Was it built for the use of or ever operated as a airliner - no. How many Fw-200s were built as and used as airliners - 10. How many Fw-200s were built for the Luftwaffe - 262.
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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby tor lives » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:22 pm

Adam the Akrodude wrote:
tor lives wrote:We can all discuss this until we are blue in the face, ultimately though, the decision is not ours.
The Model Expo scrutineers will have the final say on what model goes where.
TOR


May pertain to civil airliners in military or government service.

Is the Fw-200C8 a airliner? Was it built for the use of or ever operated as a airliner - no. How many Fw-200s were built as and used as airliners - 10. How many Fw-200s were built for the Luftwaffe - 262.


You have overlooked the crucial word Adam.....Derivative. The aircraft in question does not have to be performing the task or act of being an "airliner", it merely has to be a derivative of one, and the Fw-200C8 is just that. You seemed to be fixated on how many Condors were actually built as airliners or conversely warplanes, when that is actually not the point. ALL FW-200s, (regardless of sub-type), are either an airliner or a derivative of one.....and that's all they have to be for acceptance into the Airliner category as it currently stands. As I have said before though, regardless of what we think, and how much we argue the point, it is really irrelevant because it is not our decision to make.
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PS: and yes P-8s, E-3s, E-4s, E-6s, E-7s, E-8s, C-9s, KC-10s, KC-46s, KC-30s, VC-137s, VC-25s etc would also be eligible for entry in the Airliner category as it currently stands because they are all DERIVATIVES of airliners by design and definition. Now I know that this will piss some people right off and have them screaming the house down and bouncing off the walls, but that is just the way it is.
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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby BradG » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:25 pm

...and I'll do my own scrutineering so it goes where I put it ;)
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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby Ansett A330 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:27 pm

Dubya can't even get blue in the face right ...

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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby F-27pax » Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:33 pm

We can argue this point until we're all blue in the face but I wonder if we might not be setting a precedent we don't want by arguing that a Fw200C is an airliner derivative. How many other civil aircraft were converted to military use so if you win the argument for this case then you are also arguing the case for a lineup of Orions in the category as derivatives of Electras or B-18s as derivatives of DC-3s, all those German aircraft like He111 and Do17s, and others that don't come to mind at the moment. It's hypothetical, but it might be a point worth considering.
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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby tor lives » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:36 am

F-27pax wrote:We can argue this point until we're all blue in the face but I wonder if we might not be setting a precedent we don't want by arguing that a Fw200C is an airliner derivative. How many other civil aircraft were converted to military use so if you win the argument for this case then you are also arguing the case for a lineup of Orions in the category as derivatives of Electras or B-18s as derivatives of DC-3s, all those German aircraft like He111 and Do17s, and others that don't come to mind at the moment. It's hypothetical, but it might be a point worth considering.
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The fact is though Leigh that a Fw200C IS an airliner derivative, and the current guidelines governing the category do make allowances and provision for that. There is no escaping this fact regardless of how repugnant some may find it. I understand and appreciate where you and Adam are coming from but if Brad wants to enter his Fw200C into the Airliner Category then, based upon the current criteria of eligibility for entry, he is well within his rights to do so and, short of direct intervention by the Model Expo Director, there is not a dam thing anyone can do about it. Sorry to be so blunt but this is simply the way it is at the present time, (doesn't mean to say that further "tweaking" of the category guidelines and criteria for entry can't occur though) .
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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby BradG » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:38 pm

That's a good idea Leigh, I have a built 1/32 Heinkel 111P. :twisted:
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Re: My entry for Airliners next year...

Postby BradG » Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:44 pm

Magnificent airliner was the Heinkel 111

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