Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby Adam the Akrodude » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:32 pm

What was everyone's favourite model(s) at Expo? I particularly liked Eric's Sabre and Skyhawk. Meeting "Brick" the one time driver of that Sabre Eric modelled was great as well. Bringing a "human" element into modelling a particular subject adds so much depth and another dimension to the project - very special indeed. Eric's Sabre won best RAAF model - a very worthy win indeed. I've no Idea what Eric can do to top this for 2017 - the bar is set very high now!

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(Photos courtesy of Large Scale Planes)

Not sure how many may have seen it, but I totally loved the USN Sea King "66" in the process of hoisting the Apollo 13 crew aboard - this was brilliant I thought and a very fitting tribute to that "successful failure" that was Apollo 13 - tremendous story telling with that model.

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(Photos courtesy "MichaelApolloJack" Photobucket account)
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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby uncle les » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:38 pm

Yeah, Eric's Sabre and the added homage was my fave for the show.
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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby tor lives » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:53 pm

My favourites in no particular order were the Fleet Air Arm and Roulette Macchis built by our favourite cop
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and Eric's Sabre and A-4.
Ohhhh.....and Les's Nomads!!
Adam.....to answer your question, I think Eric's 1:48 Concorde will be the highlight of 2017.
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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby Adam the Akrodude » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:09 pm

Totally agree, Andrew's Macchi's are stunning! Hmm, dunno on the HpH Concorde from Eric. We'll see - Eric has advised that there is a lot of work still to do. :cry: "We the great unwashed" public want to see it finished Eric - how about it mate? We'll also need you to line up a former Concorde driver as well for Expo - no pressure, just go through your industry contacts! :D
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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby Ericg » Sat Jun 18, 2016 10:35 am

Thanks guys. I agree, Expo was the best yet.

As far as the Concorde? we shall see. the problem will be transporting it I guess.....

Maybe some of you Melbournites should come to Queensland for QMHE, considering this year was my 5th year in a row attending Model Expo!

Adam, as far as raising the bar for next year, considering I threw everything into the Sabre and it didn't even place I don't know if I have anything left in the modelling fuel tank!

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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby Adam the Akrodude » Sat Jun 18, 2016 12:50 pm

Hey Eric!

You know we all hugely appreciate you coming down and your Sabre went so far beyond what can be considered the standard judging criteria. There are aspects of your Sabre build that can't simply be judged. How can one judge Brick's response to seeing a model of his ride from years past? You did a really awesome thing mate and it was a honour and a pleasure to be witness to this process. You did have that references SNAFU as well, which did not help right? Personally, I preferred your A-4G over the SAAF Mirage, but I am biased in this regard. What one judge may like, another judge may not - the human element comes into play. Only way around this is to have multiple judges per category and this is impossible of course. I've been told too that often the judging results can be so close and only a point or two will determine the placings. I've tried and failed campaigning for some "degree of difficulty" factor to be including in the judging. This will separate the largely OOB builds that fall together from those that take a lot of effort to get right. I do not believe the "Realism" weighting covers this at all. You got caught with this with your beautiful Meatbox I think as well. Of course I could be wrong here and judges would argue that good references to determine the "realism" is enough. Doing some research, I have seen "degree of difficulty" being introduced as a judging criteria in other model comp's overseas.

You do have a very good point about attending the Queensland comp. My main issue here is time mate. Most weekends these days involve ferrying kids all over the place, maintenance jobs around the house and maybe getting 1 or 2 hours to myself in the man cave. Time issues will get worse for me before they get better - in about 12 years time! :cry: As my ol' ex-Navy boss used to say to me years ago - "Adam, it's your turn in the bucket!" :o

I wasn't being serious about raising the bar higher mate. I do not want you to pressure yourself any more than you do - modelling is supposed to be fun isn't it? :roll: I suffered modelling burnout after my F-105D experience - could not look at the model desk for over 12 months! The Brick/Sabre experience was pretty special as was what you did with the Mirage. Sometimes all the stars come into alignment and the result is something very special. My priority will be to get a couple of 1/32 jets finished this year. I just have to be more disciplined and make the best use of my time. As has been said "your focus determines your reality!"

Bravo on your Model Expo 2016 success and see you next year!

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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby F-27pax » Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:08 pm

I agree with the choices given here. The Sabre was outstanding, as were the Macchis. I was also immensely impressed by the Apollo 13 diorama which was another little work of art.

I wouldn't worry about not getting the nod of the judges. What do they know anyhow. I'm disappointed that 'degree of difficulty' isn't part of the judging criteria, particularly when I have first hand experience with the kit the model had been made from and know how terrible it is. Still, judges can't be expected to know everything, which is one of the reasons that I ignore competitions.

The two models I enjoyed looking at the most was the TNT 707 and the Ansett-ANA Piaggio, partly because they were so nicely made and also because they are models that I hope to make and so I was looking at how they had been made to give me some clues about what I should do.

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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby tor lives » Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:31 pm

F-27pax wrote:The two models I enjoyed looking at the most was the TNT 707 and the Ansett-ANA Piaggio, partly because they were so nicely made and also because they are models that I hope to make and so I was looking at how they had been made to give me some clues about what I should do.
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Here is another close-up peak at the 707. It is actually a wooden model, (and a nicely-done one at that).

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It does however have a few mistake. For example..... the TNT 707 had all but one or two of its windows plugged, so they were not visible. Also, the model has phone, fax, and Sita numbers painted on it.....these were purely for promotional purposes and were not actually present on the real aircraft.
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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby VH-WAL » Sun Jun 19, 2016 2:17 pm

F-27pax wrote:I agree with the choices given here. The Sabre was outstanding, as were the Macchis. I was also immensely impressed by the Apollo 13 diorama which was another little work of art.

I wouldn't worry about not getting the nod of the judges. What do they know anyhow. I'm disappointed that 'degree of difficulty' isn't part of the judging criteria, particularly when I have first hand experience with the kit the model had been made from and know how terrible it is. Still, judges can't be expected to know everything, which is one of the reasons that I ignore competitions.

The two models I enjoyed looking at the most was the TNT 707 and the Ansett-ANA Piaggio, partly because they were so nicely made and also because they are models that I hope to make and so I was looking at how they had been made to give me some clues about what I should do.

Leigh


Hi Leigh,

I have a spare Broplan Piaggio kit that I made that model from..yours for $40 (cheaper than I paid)..oh yeah it is vacuform... cheers
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Re: Model Expo 2016....done and dusted

Postby erussell » Sun Jun 19, 2016 9:37 pm

I wouldn't worry about not getting the nod of the judges. What do they know anyhow. I'm disappointed that 'degree of difficulty' isn't part of the judging criteria,


What one judge may like, another judge may not - the human element comes into play. Only way around this is to have multiple judges per category and this is impossible of course. I've been told too that often the judging results can be so close and only a point or two will determine the placings. I've tried and failed campaigning for some "degree of difficulty" factor to be including in the judging.


There are some very good points here and in other posts on this thread. Despite the best intentions of the system to make it objective, there is inevitably a subjective component to judging. Once you have tried it, you will have more appreciation for the difficulties.

The excellence and variety of their work is the reasons the civil / airliner etc community has had a pretty good reception at Expo. Another as yet unfulfilled expectation was the provision of some experienced modellers as judges. I don't mean experienced judges, I mean people like myself, a moderately experienced modeller who is a relative newcomer to judging. I pretty much guarantee that after a couple of judging sessions you will have a better appreciation of the system.

Addressing the degree of difficulty criterion, there is nowhere near the degree of expertise in the judging panel to assess it. For example, next model show, go through a category you are not particularly familiar with - maybe sci-fi, cars or armour - and rank the degree of difficulty in each entrant. I have as good a general knowledge as the next man and couldn't.

Thanks all of you for the kind words about Expo 2016 - we do our best to make it better each year.
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