1/72 Trumpeter F-105G

[hrtpaul]

The only reason I'm building this piece of shit (aircraft not the kit) is cos my Dad likes them. I started this today and so far the pit is done except for the flat coat and the belts on the seats. The 2 PE undercarriage handles are somewhere in my model room as they departed the tweezers at a great of knots. I'm pretty happy with how the pit has turned out so far. Having a ball with the PE I must say. I'll get the seats finished and the whole lot flat coated tomorrow. Might even get the fuse closed up as well. It seems like a pretty good kit but it does have a bit of flash here and there. It'll be fitted with 1 centreline and 1 wing tank, 1 AGM-78 Standard ARM missile and 2 AGM-45 Shrike missiles. This is where I'm up to

I made 2 of these radar screens


Here's the pit with a toothpick for scale

[Graeme H]

Those Weasels can be really wild, then again with those fingernails you should be OK

Go Paul

[Adam the Akrodude]

Nice to see you building a 105 Paul. BTW, no offence meant, just sayin' it shows ignorance and pretty insulting to the crews that flew these birds into the hell that was RP6 to refer to the 105 as a P.O.S. Read up on history of the air war over Nth Vietnam, read up on the relative performance of the 105 versus your loved F-4, correspond to pilots who have flown both (as I have) and then you may change your mind. The F-4 could not and did not do what the F-105 did over Nth Vietnam. The F-105 was the primary strike aircraft over the North during Rolling Thunder and flew 85% of USAF bombing missions over Nth Vietnam during this time (1965-68). It was only toward the end of the air war over Nth Vietnam when the F-4 was configured to drop the first laser guided bombs was it able to equal what the F-105 could do dropping conventional bombs - by being able to drop spans of bridges.

F-4s were of course better at A/A. F-105s were way better at bombing and bombing was the main job over Nth Vietnam. Had the ROE been different, the VPAF would have been bombed back to the stone age early on. Johnson and "Dr. Strange" McNamara sold all those who flew up North during Rolling Thunder down the river - a supreme act of treason. Despite this, the 105's almost brought Nth Vietnam to its knees in 67/68.

Two 105 Wild Weasel pilots were awarded the MOH.

USAF Captain Merlyn H. Dethlefsen was awarded the Medal of Honor and Capt Kevin "Mike" Gilroy the Air Force Cross for an F-105F Wild Weasel mission on 10 March 1967, flying F-105F, serial number 63-8352.[92] After their aircraft was damaged by ground fire, Dethlefsen and Gilroy elected to stay in the skies above the steel works at Thai Nguyen until the SAM site was found and destroyed.[93]
USAF Captain Leo K. Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor and Capt Harold Johnson the Air Force Cross for an F-105F Wild Weasel mission on 19 April 1967, flying F-105F, serial number 63-8301. Thorsness and Johnson protected an attempted rescue of another Wild Weasel crew that had been shot down, in the process destroying two MiG-17s. After running out of ammunition, Thorsness and Johnson continued to act as decoys to draw the MiGs away from the rescue aircraft. Note too that Thorsness was later shot down and spent years as a POW.

Perhaps your father knows something you don't? My father was a LOT smarter than I. Some may say that probably ain' that hard! Just sayin' Paul you are supremely WRONG to call the 105 a P.O.S mate. History proves otherwise. F-105s suffered a lot of losses because they were doing most of the work up North - fact - often by themselves with no CAP provided by F-4s. Insane ROE did not help this, as did flying into the most heavily defended airspace ever assembled at that time. The F-105 was the first USAF fighter the USAF basically ran out of. Some of the bravest and most talented fighter pilots in history flew the 105 - some rose to high ranks in the USAF years later. USAF Gen. Horner (Gulf War 1) was a ex-F-105 pilot.

Anyway, good luck with this build. If you need any reference material at all, I've got stacks! I can even put you in contact with a ex-F-105 WW driver if you like. Just don't refer to the 105 as a P.O.S, or he may just fly over here and kill you!

Cheers

Adam

[hrtpaul]

Nice to see you building a 105 Paul. BTW, no offence meant, just sayin' it shows ignorance and pretty insulting to the crews that flew these birds into the hell that was RP6 to refer to the 105 as a P.O.S. Read up on history of the air war over Nth Vietnam, read up on the relative performance of the 105 versus your loved F-4, correspond to pilots who have flown both (as I have) and then you may change your mind. The F-4 could not and did not do what the F-105 did over Nth Vietnam. The F-105 was the primary strike aircraft over the North during Rolling Thunder and flew 85% of USAF bombing missions over Nth Vietnam during this time (1965-68). It was only toward the end of the air war over Nth Vietnam when the F-4 was configured to drop the first laser guided bombs was it able to equal what the F-105 could do dropping conventional bombs - by being able to drop spans of bridges.

F-4s were of course better at A/A. F-105s were way better at bombing and bombing was the main job over Nth Vietnam. Had the ROE been different, the VPAF would have been bombed back to the stone age early on. Johnson and "Dr. Strange" McNamara sold all those who flew up North during Rolling Thunder down the river - a supreme act of treason. Despite this, the 105's almost brought Nth Vietnam to its knees in 67/68.

Two 105 Wild Weasel pilots were awarded the MOH.

USAF Captain Merlyn H. Dethlefsen was awarded the Medal of Honor and Capt Kevin "Mike" Gilroy the Air Force Cross for an F-105F Wild Weasel mission on 10 March 1967, flying F-105F, serial number 63-8352.[92] After their aircraft was damaged by ground fire, Dethlefsen and Gilroy elected to stay in the skies above the steel works at Thai Nguyen until the SAM site was found and destroyed.[93]
USAF Captain Leo K. Thorsness was awarded the Medal of Honor and Capt Harold Johnson the Air Force Cross for an F-105F Wild Weasel mission on 19 April 1967, flying F-105F, serial number 63-8301. Thorsness and Johnson protected an attempted rescue of another Wild Weasel crew that had been shot down, in the process destroying two MiG-17s. After running out of ammunition, Thorsness and Johnson continued to act as decoys to draw the MiGs away from the rescue aircraft. Note too that Thorsness was later shot down and spent years as a POW.

Perhaps your father knows something you don't? My father was a LOT smarter than I. Some may say that probably ain' that hard! Just sayin' Paul you are supremely WRONG to call the 105 a P.O.S mate. History proves otherwise. F-105s suffered a lot of losses because they were doing most of the work up North - fact - often by themselves with no CAP provided by F-4s. Insane ROE did not help this, as did flying into the most heavily defended airspace ever assembled at that time. The F-105 was the first USAF fighter the USAF basically ran out of. Some of the bravest and most talented fighter pilots in history flew the 105 - some rose to high ranks in the USAF years later. USAF Gen. Horner (Gulf War 1) was a ex-F-105 pilot.

Anyway, good luck with this build. If you need any reference material at all, I've got stacks! I can even put you in contact with a ex-F-105 WW driver if you like. Just don't refer to the 105 as a P.O.S, or he may just fly over here and kill you!

Cheers

Adam

Seriously dude get over it man please. It's a bloody MODEL PLANE FFS. There's no ignorance at all mate, I just don't like em and think they're a piece of shit like the F-35. But you know what, that's my opinion mate so jump off the high horse for a wee bit bud. It's got f*ck all to do with disrepecting the crews so I don't know where the hell you dreamed up that one. F*cken pilots I tell ya

[tor lives]

Do I have to come back there and start cracking heads ???
Bloody pilots and LAMEs!!!
TOR

[Ansett A330]

[Ansett A330]

Yes I know here's the perfect reply to Nelson :

[Adam the Akrodude]

Hi Paul

I don't care what you think of the 105 or the 35 at all. When you publically post calling both these aircraft a P.O.S, that then invites a response - don't you get this? You need some help understanding this, so here goes. To call the 105 in particular a piece of shit is insulting to anyone who every flew or worked on this aeroplane. It's supremely insulting to the memory to those who lost their lives either in accident or in combat as well. You are showing your ignorance in regard to the F-105 to call it a piece of shit as it's obvious you don't understand it's performance or capability, nor what it achieved over Nth Vietnam. You are showing your ignorance in this regard because there is a BIG difference saying "I don't like such and such a aeroplane" versus "That aeroplane is a piece of shit". You are entitled to your opinion, but if you make a public inflammatory comment, you must then be prepared for a response and to be able to back up your comment. So, what evidence have you that the F-105 and the F-35 are pieces of shit? It would have been a lot better if you had simply said "I don't like the F-105" - that's fair enough as we all have a likes and dislikes. To call anything a piece of shit has EVERYTHING to do with those who risked their lives and gave their lives - it's a personal insult to these people. If you like, I'm happy to provide contact details for both pilots and maintenance people who spent part of their lives involved with the F-105 who could help explain this to you. If you feel so strongly about this, would you call the F-105 a piece of shit to their faces? I don't get why you would purposely post something inflammatory and then not expect a response? I recommend reading up on F-105 missions over Nth Vietnam and then you may get it. I've put the time in Paul and done the research over many years. When you read about the achievements of people who flew 105's and survived over RP6, it staggers disbelief that they survived. Then when one reads about the Wild Weasel crews and what they did, it will blow your mind Paul. I'm not on any high horse, but I do believe in showing those that did it tough in a extremely demanding environment both militarily and politically at that time respect. To call their ride into what was hell on earth a piece of shit shows no respect and is a insult and is also just wrong - just sayin'.

Let me know if you'd like to correspond with those that were there. I can put you onto one guy in particular who flew F-100's, F-105's and F-4's and also has flown the F-104 and F-5. Understanding the 105 can greatly help your build as well.

Cheers

Adam

[Adam the Akrodude]

As some added inspiration, have a read below Paul. These feats of extreme courage just would not be possible in a aeroplane that is a P.O.S. I've spent years researching this very topic and there is ZERO evidence that the 105 is a P.O.S and overwhelming evidence that it was a extraordinary strike fighter flown by extraordinary talented and brave crews, a fighter that almost single-handedly brought Nth Vietnam to its knees in 1968 - almost did had it not been for the Johnson/McNamara bombing halt over Nth Vietnam.

http://www.cmohs.org/recipient-detail/3433/thorsness-leo-k.php

https://www.thisdayinaviation.com/tag/merlyn-hans-dethlefsen/

[hrtpaul]

I DON'T CARE ADAM. What don't YOU get about that? It's not really that hard a concept to grasp mate. I can't put it any more simply for ya pal. And you're still going on with the "it's insulting to the guys who flew and died" bullshit *sigh* Stop being so condescending and trying to convert people that disagree with ya man. It's so f*&kin boring. I CBF'd continuing on with this thread anymore. Feel free to delete it or lock it or whatever Ray